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#0034: Digitization of the legal profession

Gjest: Dan Katz

CSO of LexPredict

Med Vert Silvija Seres

In this episode, we try to find out what are good examples of the digitalization of the legal profession. Silvija talks to Chicago-Kent professor Dan Martin Katz about how he works to create lawyers for today's biggest societal challenges and whether legal services become too cheap with new technology. Professor Katz is a scientist, technologist, and professor who applies an innovative polytechnic approach to teaching law - to help create lawyers for today's biggest societal challenges.  Both his scholarship and teaching integrate science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. His forward-thinking ideas helped to earn him acknowledgment among the Fatcase 50, an award which "recognizes 50 of the smartest, most courageous innovators, techies, visionaries, and leaders in the law."  He was also named to the American Bar Association Journal's " Legal Rebels", a prestigious group of change leaders in the legal profession.
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What is the most important thing you do at your work?
We take data on a particular type of cases and then try to forecast what would happen in a new case for a client or customer.

What are the central concepts in your tech?
It works in the way that a human does today. Based on their experience in these prior matters, they're actually using their mind to process that. What we're doing is trying to formalize that in a statistical model. The basic idea is that there are patterns in data that we can surface using models and methods, rather than exclusively using a human or a professional.

Your other favourite examples, internationally and nationally?
Legal Zoom and Rocket Lawyer are two of the bigger companies in legal tech globally. They help you do some very simple processes, like file a trademark application, help navigate and getting a company incorporated.

What do you think are the relevant controversies?
I think one of the biggest challenges it's not how large or small Norway is, it's how common a language is. This language is not spoken in a lot of places and that’s challenging. That's a thing the government should try to subsidize, because a lot of technology isn't going to exist in this market unless somebody's going to bear that one-time cost of getting these natural language tool kits to work here.

If people are to remember only one thing from our conversation, what would you like it to be?
People have legal needs, and they need a more cost-effective way to solve their legal needs. Technology can help facilitate that in my view, but it's up to entrepreneurial lawyer types and technology types to bring it to life.


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Regulatory technology
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Legal technology is creating simplicity where there's a lot of complexity today.

- Dan Katz

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Chicago-Kent College of Law is the law school affiliated with the Illinois Institute of Technology. They are the second oldest law school in the state of Illinois. Ranked 72nd among U.S. law schools, their trial advocacy program is ranked in 2015 by U.S. News and World Report as the fourth best program in the U.S. According to Chicago-Kent's 2014 American Bar Association-required disclosures, 85% of the 2014 class secured a position six months after graduation. Of these 248 employed graduates, 172 were in positions requiring passage of the bar exam.